From ron at ronnatalie.com Sat Mar 14 02:54:06 2015 From: ron at ronnatalie.com (Ronald Natalie) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:54:06 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Old kernel hacker chuckle Message-ID: <4C84DA71-80B9-4FA2-8EF9-56B001CCA148@ronnatalie.com> I have an appointment Monday with my oral surgeon, Dr. Naimi. I still can’t resist pronouncing it Dr. Namei. From clemc at ccc.com Sat Mar 14 03:18:22 2015 From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:18:22 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Old kernel hacker chuckle In-Reply-To: <4C84DA71-80B9-4FA2-8EF9-56B001CCA148@ronnatalie.com> References: <4C84DA71-80B9-4FA2-8EF9-56B001CCA148@ronnatalie.com> Message-ID: but is the path going to bring you to his files? On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Ronald Natalie wrote: > I have an appointment Monday with my oral surgeon, Dr. Naimi. I still > can’t resist pronouncing it Dr. Namei. > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beebe at math.utah.edu Sun Mar 22 01:10:06 2015 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 09:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [TUHS] microfiche scanning news Message-ID: There was a posting on the SIMH list today from Joerg Hoppe about a project to build a microfiche scanner that has now successfully converted 53,545 document pages to electronic form, and the files are being uploaded to the PDP-11 section of bitsavers.org. The scanner is described here: http://retrocmp.com/projects/scanning-micro-fiches There are links on that page to the rest of the story. It is an amazing piece of work for a single person. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe at math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe at acm.org beebe at computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 02:13:26 2015 From: gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com (Gregg Levine) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:13:26 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] microfiche scanning news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello! He wrote back regarding that concept of sending the completed scans to the PDP-11 location on Bitsavers. Basically he sent a note to Al regarding all of them. He's not directly sure when the process will be complete. Soon I expect. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > There was a posting on the SIMH list today from Joerg Hoppe > about a project to build a microfiche scanner > that has now successfully converted 53,545 document pages to > electronic form, and the files are being uploaded to the PDP-11 > section of bitsavers.org. The scanner is described here: > > http://retrocmp.com/projects/scanning-micro-fiches > > There are links on that page to the rest of the story. It is an > amazing piece of work for a single person. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - > - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe at math.utah.edu - > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe at acm.org beebe at computer.org - > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From cubexyz at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 23:16:26 2015 From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:16:26 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Three Questions Message-ID: Ok, the first question is: Has anyone got Unix sysv running on PDP-11 via simh? I downloaded some files from archive.org which included the file 'sys_V_tape' but so far I haven't got anywhere with it. Looks interesting though. Second question is: What is the deal with Unix version 8? Except for the manuals v8 seems to have disappeared into the twilight zone. Wikipedia doesn't say much, only "Used internally, and only licensed for educational use". So can we look at the source code? Was it sold in binary form only? Ok, now the big question: Does anything at all exist of PDP-7 Unics? All I know about is that there was a B language interpreter. Maybe a printout of the manual has survived? Mark From clemc at ccc.com Wed Mar 25 23:30:59 2015 From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:30:59 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Three Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Mark Longridge wrote: > Does anything at all exist of PDP-7 Unics? All I know about is that > there was a B language interpreter. Maybe a printout of the manual has > survived? > The ​ ​ restoration of 1st Edition UNIX can be found at ​ ​ https://code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/ ​ although since Google Code is going away, I hope Warren can get it moved to his own archives and/or bitsavers. Clem​ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crossd at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 23:39:06 2015 From: crossd at gmail.com (Dan Cross) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:39:06 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Three Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Mark Longridge wrote: > >> Does anything at all exist of PDP-7 Unics? All I know about is that >> there was a B language interpreter. Maybe a printout of the manual has >> survived? >> > > The > ​ ​ > restoration of 1st Edition UNIX can be found at > ​ ​ > https://code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/ > ​ although since Google Code is going away, I hope Warren can get it moved > to his own archives and/or bitsavers. > First edition is still PDP-11 Unix, I believe. I remember Dennis Ritchie showing me the source to PDP-7 Unix in his office once. It was in a bound book of sorts; the pages were copy from a line printer. I don't know what happened to that...does anyone have a copy? - Dan C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norman at oclsc.org Thu Mar 26 00:00:04 2015 From: norman at oclsc.org (Norman Wilson) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TUHS] Three Questions Message-ID: <20150325140004.9D7A31DE416@lignose.oclsc.org> Mark Longridge: What is the deal with Unix version 8? Except for the manuals v8 seems to have disappeared into the twilight zone. Wikipedia doesn't say much, only "Used internally, and only licensed for educational use". So can we look at the source code? Was it sold in binary form only? ======= The Eighth Edition system was never released in any general way, only to a few educational institutions (I forget the number but it was no more than a dozen) under specific letter agreements that forbade redistribution. It was never sold, in source or binary or any other form; the tape included a bootstrap image and full source code. I was involved in all this--in fact one of the first nontrivial things I did after arriving at Bell Labs was to help Dennis assemble the tape--but that was more than 30 years ago and the details have faded. The system as distributed ran only on the VAX-11/750 and 11/780. The bootstrap image on the tape was probably more restrictive than that; if one of the licensees needed something different to get started we would have tried to make it, but I don't remember whether that ever happened. Later systems (loosely corresponding to the Ninth and Tenth editions of the manual) ran on a somewhat wider set of VAXes, in particular the MicroVAX II and III and the VAX 8700 and 8550 (but not the dual- processor 8800). There was never a real distribution of either of those systems, though a few sites made special requests and got hand-crafted snapshots under the same restrictive letter agreement. So far as I know, no Research UNIX system after 7/e has ever been made available under anything but a special letter agreement. There was at one point some discussion amongst several interested parties (including me and The Esteemed Warren Toomey) about strategies to open up the later source code, but that was quashed by the IBM vs The SCO Group lawsuit. It would likely be very hard to make happen now, because I doubt there's anyone left inside Bell Labs with both the influence and the interest, though I'd be quite happy to be proven wrong on that. I know of one place in the world where (a descendant of) that system is still running, but I am not at the moment in a position to say where that is. I do know, however, of at least two places where there are safe copies of the source code, so it is unlikely to disappear from the historic record even if that record cannot be made open for a long time. Norman Wilson Toronto ON (Computing Science Research Centre, Bell Labs, 1984-1990) From wkt at tuhs.org Thu Mar 26 06:51:17 2015 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:51:17 +1100 Subject: [TUHS] Three Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150325205117.GA22992@www.oztivo.net> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 09:16:26AM -0400, Mark Longridge wrote: > Does anything at all exist of PDP-7 Unics? All I know about is that > there was a B language interpreter. Maybe a printout of the manual has > survived? I asked Dennis Ritchie this question a few times. He did say that he had fragmentary printouts of some source code. Then in 2009 he wrote: In other news, I have found the book that has the listings that I knew I had, that of (some) of the user-level commands. I wonder what's the best way to get it scanned? That's as far as we got. Now that he has passed on, I imagine that the task of obtaining the book is nigh on impossible. I suppose that raises the question, did Dennis' computing effects get "saved" in any way? Cheers, Warren P.S. I must do the Google code to github migration, thanks Clem. From doug at cs.dartmouth.edu Thu Mar 26 11:36:41 2015 From: doug at cs.dartmouth.edu (Doug McIlroy) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:36:41 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Three Questions Message-ID: <201503260136.t2Q1afNX031968@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu> > Does anything at all exist of PDP-7 Unics? All I know about is that > there was a B language interpreter. Maybe a printout of the manual has > survived? There was no manual. doug